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Saturday, February 26, 2011

 The bogus ordo never ceases to amaze us!

Bishop: None of your business

Albany's Howard Hubbard rejects Catholic expert's criticism of governor
Updated 08:17 a.m., Thursday, February 24, 2011
  • FILE - This Jan. 2, 2011 file photo shows New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, left, with his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, and Lt. Gov. Robert Duffy, center, in front of the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception, in Albany, N.Y., after attending Sunday services. The father, the son and the question of whether to grant communion to Catholics who openly flout canon law has once again reared up in New York where a Vatican consultant is calling to deny the host to Gov. Cuomo while he is living with his girlfriend. More than 25 years ago, Cuomo's father, Gov. Mario Cuomo, ran afoul of the church for his support of abortion rights. (AP Photo/Stewart Cairns, File)

ALBANY -- Albany Bishop Howard Hubbard says it is "unfair and imprudent" to conclude that Gov. Andrew Cuomo and his girlfriend, Sandra Lee, shouldn't receive communion simply because they're living together.
Hubbard was responding to opinions expressed by Catholic canon law expert Edward Peters, who last month on his blog stated that the couple was engaging in what church law defines as "public concubinage" by sharing Lee's Westchester County home.
Peters wrote last month about Hubbard's warm welcome to the couple at Mass at Albany's Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception on Jan. 2, the day after Cuomo's inauguration. He claimed that Hubbard had committed a "dereliction of pastoral duty."
Without referring to Peters, Hubbard responded Wednesday by telling any critics to, in effect, mind their own business.
"There are norms of the church governing the sacraments, which Catholics are expected to observe," Hubbard wrote in a brief statement. "However, it is unfair and imprudent to make a pastoral judgment about a particular situation without knowing all the facts.
"As a matter of pastoral practice we would not comment publicly on anything which should be addressed privately, regardless if the person is a public figure or a private citizen," Hubbard wrote in conclusion.
John Dwyer, a former Jesuit who taught theology at St. Bernard's School of Theology and Ministry, said Hubbard's statement was "the perfect response, really solid."
Dwyer, who lives outside of Tannersville in the Catskills, said modern religious thought has come to the conclusion that communion should be denied only to those living in mortal sin -- a state that requires "a serious, grievous matter," sufficient reflection by the sinner, and the "full consent" of his will.
"Cuomo comes from a day and age when living with your girlfriend isn't a serious, grievous matter ... or something that's seen as a serious violation of God's will," Dwyer said.
Peters, who teaches at Detroit's Sacred Heart Major Seminary, serves as a consultant to the highest Vatican court, the Apostolic Signatura. His opinions were picked up by a conservative news service and reported around the state on Wednesday.
The back and forth over Cuomo's good standing as a Catholic is the latest in a long series of conflicts between church and state. Numerous Catholic politicians who support abortion rights -- including Vice President Joe Biden and the late U.S. Sen. Ted Kennedy -- have been criticized for receiving communion despite their advocacy for a practice viewed as anathema by the Vatican. Indeed, Peters' initial blog post on Cuomo's appearance at Hubbard's Mass noted the governor's pro-choice stance as an additional affront to church law.
After an appearance Wednesday morning on Long Island, Cuomo commented on the matter in a style similar to Hubbard's.
"My religion is a private matter," he told reporters, "and it's not something I discuss in the political arena."
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Susan said...

The "reasoning" here is....beyond belief.

Peters is right, of course. What kind of ninny thinks these two people are not having sex? Whatever happened to the idea of not giving scandal?

"Cuomo comes from a day and age when living with your girlfriend isn't a serious, grievous matter ... or something that's seen as a serious violation of God's will." Mohamar Gadaffi comes from a day and age where murder isn't a serious matter or seen as a violation of God's that means it's perfectly OK, right?

"My religion is a private matter." It is. But it involves the faith community, the Church, even though it doesn't involve the political sphere. No one is asking that he be evicted from the governor's mansion as a result of this behavior - just that he be denied communion.

Bridget said...

Good point Susan and it doesn't matter what anyone THINKS except GOD and He has declared that this is a grievous sin against purity!
What kind of a "Bishop" would even hint that sin no longer matters just because the "majority" doesn't believe it anymore!

Susan said...

hey Bridget, doncha know we all get to vote on the seriousness of sin nowadays?

Pope St. Felix III said...

I had a discussion a while ago with a Novus Ordo "priest" while driving him to a cemetery for a burial.

He mentioned something about having to get back in time for "Reconciliation" - what they now call the Sacrament of Penance or "confession".

This was a Saturday - I asked him if many people go to confession today - and he responded that most Saturdays no one is there, but that he has to be the in case anyone shows up.

I then said - well it seems to me, judging by the funerals we handle that everyone goes to "communion" - and he said that yes - most everyone goes.

I then asked him if he found it strange that no one goes to confession, but everyone goes to communion? He said "no - why do you ask?"

I said: "well, I find it hard to believe that none of the over 200 hundred people that belong to your Parish ever fall to mortal sin during the week."

He said that almost no one commits mortal sin because in order for it to be a mortal sin you have to say to yourself before you commit the sin that you are doing for the purpose of offending God - and nobody does that.