To go to Jesus through Mary is truly to honor Jesus Christ. It indicates that we do not esteem ourselves worthy of approaching His infinite holiness directly, that we need Mary to be our Mediatrix with Him, our Mediator.
St. Louis Grignion de Montfort (1673-1716AD)
posted by Bridget @ 7:15 AM
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Evidently the fundies have taken umbrage at this quote. Here is their statement:
"The RCC has perpetrated many unscriptural and heretical doctrines through history, but this is one of the most mind-boggling statements about the virgin/goddess that we have ever come across. It is beyond credulity that there are those who buy into this, even today."
Well, good St. Louis has addressed this issue as well:
"All the true children of God, the predestinate, have God for their Father and Mary for their Mother. He who has not Mary for his Mother has not God for his Father. This is the reason why the reprobate, such as heretics, schismatics and others, who hate our Blessed Lady or regard her with contempt and indifference boast of it, simply because they have not Mary for their Mother. For if they had her for their Mother, they would love and honor her as a true child naturally loves and honors the mother who has given him life.
The most infallible and indubitable sign by which we may distinguish a heretic, a man of bad doctrine, a reprobate, from one of the predestinate, is that the heretic and the reprobate have nothing but contempt and indifference for Our Lady, endeavoring by their words and examples to diminish the worship and love of her, openly or hiddenly, and sometimes by misrepresentation. Alas, God the
Father has not told Mary to dwell in them, for they are Esaus."
Amen St. Louis!!!! These people must not love their own mothers!
We have nothing in scripture which says Mary is our mother.
Once again Mary is merely a human being who needed her son's saving act as much as any of us do.
Jesus on the other hand is God Incarnate. We need no mediator to Jesus as he is the mediator between man and and the Father.
You have just negated the entire Gospel.What's new? lol
St Louis was and is deceived.
None of you have a scriptural leg to stand on, but when did the pagan papists ever let the bible get in their way when it comes to unholy doctrine.
St Louis is an idiot, but obviously his word supercedes God's Word.
We call Mary blessed, we do not worship her.
The Mary of scripture is not the asherah that you promote.
Let me gently remind you that the above concept is simply not Biblical. Here are a few Scriptures that get to the point....
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:45 It is written in the Prophets, 'And they will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me--
Mat 11:28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 19:14 but Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."
Jesus is the One speaking here. He is God. Mary is not.
1 Tim 2:5, "For there is one God,and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
As one born, raised, and left the RCC after 37 years, studied at Catholic schools, colleges, and seminaries, either the Word of God means what is says or God is proved a liar. You can't have it both ways.
This is fundamental, to use a correct term, to the understanding of God, His written revealed Word, and how it applies to His creation and creatures. Either we can trust in the promises, such as 1 John 5, "I have written these things that you might KNOW you have eternal life..." in contradiction to the anathemas in Catholic doctrine, or we are fools, as Paul wrote, if Christ is not who He says He is, that God's Word is not what it says it is. Who are we to trust: God or man?
I'll take God at His Word over any man.
this sounds like some Abbott and Costello Routine:
i.e Whose on first etc etc etc.
I have never seen such a useless rationalization of Mariolotry in my life!
Shammah- you sound a LOT like AW. Either you are him or you are a confrere. You are as insulting and disrespectful as he is.
Pope will handle this today since I'm going to be gone most of the day, but I have one more thing to say:
TO JESUS, THROUGH MARY!!!
The problem here is that protestant theology is so shallow and filled with rationalizations and lacking Faith that they cannot comprehend the reality of the Redemption in any way other than the superficial.
God does not change. God chose to come to man through Mary. Jesus could have just appeared on earth - God did not have to use Mary or any woman for that matter.
Sin came into the world through Adam - but from Eve first - Adam sinned after Eve.
Salvation came into the world through Jesus - but Mary said yes to God first: "Be it done unto me according to Thy word".
Just as Eve said no to God and brought all sin into the world - Mary said yes to God and brought all salvation into the world.
Just as Eve is the mother of all who sin (which is all of mankind) - Mary is the Mother of all who say "Yes" to God.
Jesus made this clear as He hung dying on the Cross when He told the Apostle whom He loved to behold his mother and said to Mary to behold her son. At that moment Jesus made it clear that Mary is the spiritual mother of all of His followers.
The first miracle that Jesus preformed was at her interecession - It was Mary who interceded for the wedding party before Jesus.
The reality is that Jesus comes to all men through Mary.
Mary is not a goodess, Mary is infinitely lower than God - but HE CHOSE HER - He glorified her, and He declared her our spiritual Mother.
He chose to spend nine months shut up in the prison of her sacred and virginal womb - the true ark of the Covenent. He submitted to her and obeyed her His entire earthly life.
She is more intimately united to God than even the Angels - she is the daughter of the Father, the spouse of the Holy Ghost, and the Mother of the Son.
To not honor her is to dishonor God.
All generations of true Believers will call her Blessed!
Amen, dear Pope!
Wonderfully, carefully, and truthfully stated.
God bless you!
O Sacred Heart of Jesus,
have mercy on us!
O Mary, conceived without sin,
pray for us who have recourse
to Thee.
Mary, Queen of Heaven,
Queen of all the angels and saints,
pray for us!
There IS not, and has not been, can not be, and will not be, any agreement between us and you regarding these things.
We know that all matters of Faith are dictated by God through Scripture alone.
Reformation Theology is not shallow. It is as deep as the eternal Word of God, which is one Name given to Jesus.
Rev 19:13 He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.
Sola Scriptura is still our rule.
There truly is no mediator between God and man, but Christ Jesus.
This is my last comment on this.
Scripture alone - that is the cry of most heretics.
More shallow nonsense - for they reject more of Scripture than they accept.
Ask a protestant to recite the Lord's Prayer - they add: "for thine is the kingdom, etc..."
When Jesus taught us to pray the Lord's Prayer in Scripture - He does not add these words?
When St. Paul speaks of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and says:
1Co 10:16
"The chalice of benediction which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? And the bread which we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?"
Catholics can answer - YES - the chalice of benediction we bless is the communion of the Blood of Christ, and yes the bread which we break is the partaking of the body of the Lord!
Protestants cannot - they do not believe that the chalice that they bless is really the communion of the blood of Christ and the bread that they break is only symbolic of the partaking of the body - so they must say no to St. Paul and Scripture.
If protestants believe in Sripture alone - why do they not honor Saturday as the Sabbath?
If protestants believe in Scripture alone - why do their women not cover their heads in church?
If protestants believe in Scripture alone - why do they allow divorce and remarriage, why do they practice artificial birth prevention?
etc...
Shallow feel-good nonsense that they call Faith.
One day they will indeed hear our Lord repeat the warning from Scripture - "Not all who cry Lord, Lord shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven..."
Protestants are similar (though even more proud and arrogant) than the Jews who left Jesus after He clearly stated that we must eat His Flesh and drink His Blood to have eternal life - and that His flesh is true food and His blood is true drink. The Jews that heard this left Him saying that His teachings are too hard...Protestants leave Him and start a bogus religion that claims to follow Him.
Jesus turns to his Apostles and asks them if they will leave Him too - Peter - a CATHOLIC says: "Lord, to whom shall we go"
Catholics believe what Jesus taught - Catholics believe what Scripture teaches - even if it is hard to understand!
The difference then, is Faith.
We possess it - they, poor souls - do not.
Our Bishop calls Protestants "New Testament Jews" .
Truer words were never spoken!
Two thoughts here:
1. The RCC has declared Mary as having been born without sin, an attempt to explain how a soul/spirit is transmitted to a biological entity, how Christ could be born of a human yet not be contaminated with sin. It seems logical except this: how then was Mary born without sin? If one uses elementary logic, then every woman of the line from which Mary came tracing all the way back to Eve must be without sin, a clear contradiction of Scripture. Mary could not come from a mother stained with sin if the argument that Christ could only be born of a virgin without sin.
2. What does the RCC do with the encounter Jesus had with Nicodemus, where he said that one must be "born again" in order to inherit eternal life. We know Scripture exegetes Scripture so when Jesus says one must be born again of "Spirit and water" this clearly refers to what Paul references in Titus 3:5, the washing of regeneration( misconstrued as "water baptism") and the renewing by the Holy Spirit (ie from Jeremiah where a heart of stone is replaced by a heart of flesh). RCC theology teaches that one must suffer or be purged of their sins in purgatory, then they are made righteous and then God can declare them righteous. The Bible says God justifies the unrighteous. What is it? RCC theology discounts being "born again" as explained in John 3. Who is dumping Scripture here.
And a last point. The whole "heart of stone" heart of flesh" prophecy, one can tell if one is truly a Christian by the command of Christ in John 13: "the world will know you are my disciples by your love for one another." The words you use to attack other professing Christians, the manner of your attacks would seem to indicate to to world the opposite of what Christ commanded and, by continuing in such manner, by "practicing" such behaviors, would indicate a lack of fruit, meaning that branch being thrown into the fire, an eternal fire, and summarily indicating a false conversion and never having been born again. Please examine yourselves and your hearts.
John F - your comments are a mixture of truth and error - I will address them to the best of my ability.
1. The Roman Catholic Church has defined that Mary the Mother of God was - by a SINGULAR ACT OF SAVING GRACE perserved from all stain of sin in view of the Redemptive acts of her Savior and Son - Jesus Christ.
This definition was not an attempt to explain how the soul/spirit is united to the body at all - the union of the spirit and body takes place at each and every conception of any human being.
This definition shows us that God has no part whatsoever with sin. His Flesh was never contaminated with sin.
How was Mary conceived without sin? - by a SINGULAR act of saving grace. This means that Mary and ONLY Mary was preserved from original sin - just as St. John the Baptist was sactified in the womb and born without sin - not conceived without sin - but born without sin.
Luke 1:15
"For he shall be great before the Lord and shall drink no wine nor strong drink: and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb."
Who else was sanctified and filled with the Holy Ghost in the womb? NO ONE. Another example of a singular act of Saving Grace.
God can do all things.
Christ is God and would not have taken His flesh from sin - and would not have spent nine-months in a body corrupted with sin.
Could God have sactified Mary after her conception - Yes - Could have have made her clean the moment before the Incarnation - yes - but the Church has revealed that He did not - that He preserved her from all sin from the moment of her conception - the New Eve!
The Old Eve was created free of sin and chose to sin - the New Eve too was created without sin, but chose to obey and serve God.
The discourse of being born again is CLEARLY reference to Baptism and is exactly why Jesus said that to be saved one must Believe and be BAPTIZED. Even the protestant heretics that brought about the protestant revolt understood the CLEAR meaning of this passage as a reference to Baptism.
The Church has always and everyhwere held this passage to refer to Sacramental Baptism - it was not until after the protestant revolt that this passage was ever thought to refer to anything other than Sacramental water Baptism.
Regarding Purgatory - you do not understand what the Church teaches regarding Purgatory - so you base your attack on a strawman that you set up.
The Church teaches that purgatory is a place of PURIFICATION - all who go to purgatory are saved and will enter heaven - but some are in need of purification before entering Heaven. This is what St. Paul refers to when he says:
And the fire shall try every man’s work, of what sort it is.
1Co 3:15
"If any mans work burn, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire."
Baptism (being born again) makes Heaven possible - and removes the stain of original sin - it does not preserve us from actual sin - and actual sin can bar us from Heaven just as original sin can.
Regarding your last comments...
Jesus attacked heresy and heretics with violence and held back no words when speaking to heretics. "Blind Guides", "Sons of Satan", "Brood of Vipers"...etc...
St. John the Apostle of Love also told us how to deal with heretics:
2Jo 1:10
"If any man come to you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him: God speed you."
It is precisely because we obey the Commandment to love one another that we expose false religions that lead people to hell and damnation.
The Judas Goats - the pastors and followers of these false religions are leading millions to hell - and as long as there is breath in me - i will do whatever I can to expose these satanists that mock our Lord and teach a false and corrupt Gospel!
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